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AlexandriaC · #1 (**permalink**) 06-20-2008, 03:48 AM

Threw out a few threads I have read I see a lot of things that state, of a type of beginning, or the first farther/mother of vampire, how we all started , evolution and so on. Just some thing to think about and I'd like to see plenty points of veiws. One of the biggest arguments that I know of threw out history is how man kind started. Science and the evolution chain. Then there's the christain bibble of adam and eve.

Now the way I see it no matter what we believe in there is always some kind of evolution in volved. If its mental, physical, or even historical. In one point of time every thing changes and changes makes one evolve from one state to another.

What are your thoughts of there being another type of human wether it started with in the evolution chain or caine and lillith started it. Now just like a human kind this other speices evolved one way or the other. This other speices of human became stronger, faster, chrismatic, and any other ability you may think of. Hens vampires.

Give me your point of veiw and why. Thx

abe corvinus · #2 (**permalink**) 06-20-2008, 03:56 AM

i think that caine and lillith is our mother and father. and over the years much like mortals we have evolved.

D.I.T.F.-Ninja · #3 (**permalink**) 06-20-2008, 02:07 PM

I believe that we are defects of evolution, incomplete, we are neither week enough to die out completely nor grow strong enough to become our own species altogether.

Though i do not know anything about Caine and Lilith, would somebody please enlighten me?

AlexandriaC · #4 (**permalink**) 06-21-2008, 02:37 AM

Lillith was said to be Adams (christain bible) first wife. Caine is the one who killed his brother Able. They where the first children to Adam and Eve. God sent lillith away for trying to be the more dominit one between female and male aspect. God sent Caine away for killing his brother. But there is more to the stories but I'm not the best to ask on that. You should ask my husband Abe Corvinus.

I don't think we were a defect. I think that we are more like a tree. A tree has many branches but the all come from the same root.

D.I.T.F.-Ninja · #5 (**permalink**) 06-22-2008, 03:49 AM

Thank you, I'll be sure to ask him about it. But I beieve that we are defects in a sense because we are, although I really don't want to put it this way, superiour to humans to a degree but at a price, we have what we would call an energy deficency, and we cure that by feeding, both psi's and sang's, so taking that all into sense we have, and I don't want to seem full of myself, stronger bodies and minds but just not a way to power it with out the extra feeding style. I'm not telling you to believe what I am saying just only asking you to understand my veiw point. Thank you.

AlexandriaC · #6 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 05:41 AM

I always respect other's veiw of point even when I'm debating. Just ask thy husband but we alway tell each other that we agree to disagree. LOL. So, as long as you don't mind me debating a bit.

A blind man normally has better hearing then a man with sight. Does that a blind man is a defect? As I said I just like to debate and still respect your point of veiw. If I came off as though I wasn't I am truely sorry.

D.I.T.F.-Ninja · #7 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 12:21 PM

Oh no, I like debating and yes you did respect my point of view, I just wanted to explain the reason behind it. The Blind man has better hearing because he has spent so much time hearing and not seeing so he notices the little things that we normaly wouldn't, as for to make him a defect, how did he lose his sight?

Youripper · #8 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 12:32 PM

I find it interesting that a number of points have appeared here relatively quickly.
The first being that we are an evolution, the second that we are an evolution of systematic creation and the third that we are a defected species.

If I may, I would just like to comment on each point.

1. Evolution.

Plain and simple biological, genetic, environmental evolution and species divergence, growth and change. Many circles, even today, debate Charles Darwin's theories of evolution and whilst modern science may proove that his thought-pool was hindered or inaccurate you can't easily put up a placard as say 'Darwin is a Liar and a Cheat, a Mad Man'. In essence, I like AlexandriaC's reference to a tree, in that species evolves like branches from a primary source, the further back in time we go the narrower these branches are and the number becomes smaller.

I would like to argue that due to genetic and external impacts a group of people have evolved with cerebral adaptations whereby the body compensates X for Y.

So, in feeding, the body gets a source from which it interprets a maximum benefit, compared to other sources of energy. In evolutionary theory, if this gene is dominant it will pass on through the ages, if not it will perhaps appear as a recessive trait in many humans only to be awakened by alterations to the brain. Evolution will resolve this if it chooses too.

2. Biblical Evolution - Adam and Eve, Cane and Lilith.

I understand the belief structure behind how through the creation of humans, thanks fo God's punishment he caused the generation of another 'branch' of humanity, so to speak.
However my main issue with this is based upon my intrinsic need for evidence (blame the archaeologist in me ok?).

However, what I feel is a very positive - and strong - thing about this view is that it gives the collective group a source, something in comon and a focus. A belief which can be shared and debated. Something every society has had since pre-history.

But basically from a species development perspective IM inclined to ignore it.

3. Defects

Another valid point made by AlexandiraC - a blind person - or anyone with some 'impairment' has a sensorary compensation. For example, partially sighted people (from birth) often develop heightened senses of touch, smell, taste or hearing. It doesn't mean they are defected it just means they are not 'inbalance'.

I feel, personally, that if you have a defect you sound like a broken sofa, or misshapen car which gets thrown in the reject pile. I refuse to accept that since a lack of understanding or tolerance does not represent that you, I or anyone else here has a defect

Sorry for waffling a bit XD

D.I.T.F.-Ninja · #9 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 01:15 PM

When you talk about the blind man who is blind from birth, that is a defect and not nessicarily making him a defect, his eyes not developing to be used, but for his hearing to become more accute is evolution at work. As for vampirism, we are currently still evolving, but until vampirism has reached a state of balance, were one would not have to feed, that would be the finished evolution. So technically at this point what causes us to be the way that we are is a defect, an incomplete change, but we as living beings have evolved around the energy defencicy by feeding.

Sorry I mis-worded my previous posts, I was meaning to talk about what causes us is a defect, not ourselves. *opens mouth inserts foot* yea I know I dug my own hole, lol.

Youripper · #10 (**permalink**) 06-23-2008, 03:13 PM

LOL - would you prefer to use a JCB?
I understand what you mean about a defect - I just find from a biological perspective its more of an evolutionary change is all

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But yes, I think we are saying the same thing using different terminology LOL

As with regards to the blind/partially sighted - i used to consider these things a defect until I did more reading and discovered its genetic alterations and genetic imperfection. Defection is dependent upon your idea of perfection I guess.

*plays devils advocate*